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Post by athleticsgm on Mar 4, 2009 12:01:47 GMT -5
Well, I guess the more playoff teams would be cool. And I do not want fictional players. The DH rule should wait till when it took place in real life. Faster SIMING would make the league move faster. Not sure on which way to go about this. More games done in each SIM or just more SIM's. The playoffs do not really matter for my team. Since I will not make the playoffs any time soon. I am up for what ever the league feels is best.
Kevin Athletics GM
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Post by The People's Champion on Mar 4, 2009 13:19:27 GMT -5
I am not for fictional players either. Lets just abolish the COLOR BARRIOR. There are numerous Nergo league and Cuban players that we can use. One such player SS John "Pop" Lloyd in the Hall of Fame. I am not in favor of creating fictional players just to fill out a minor league system. I would rather have ghost players enabled than to have to manage the movements of fictional guys at low minor league levels. As long as the big club is full and the minors have a player or two at each position to cover injuries on the major league roster and develop a real life rookie - I am content.
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Post by tiny on Mar 4, 2009 20:48:07 GMT -5
Boy! Everything said is great. Let's open up to negro league players. It's a d**n shame that they weren't given the chance in real life so let's give them the chance now! I too don't want to make fictional characters. Let's keep that real! The salaries that some players want are really high (although I shouldn't talk as I signed one) but is that the game or us? Keep up the conversation on all the topics. Every I read them someone comes up with another good point!
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Post by Commissioner/Reds on Mar 5, 2009 15:38:39 GMT -5
On Salaries, players will take less salaries if they are not offered their demands. So that is the beast of free agency.
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Post by jeremy7227 on Mar 5, 2009 16:41:53 GMT -5
I am in favor desegregating the league and ending the color barrier too. The Garlon and Spritze Database has neutralized stats with MLE calculated for about 150 Negro League players and 25 or so Nippon Pro Baseeball players. You can import them individually by their DB ID. This is a better method than simply creating a fictional player and giving him a real name. But I don't think we should just import one HOF SS because the Cubs need one. I would support that measure too. Also for the record, the DH was introduced and given a trial in the 1880's but was not adopted during league play. Though it probably would have been had the players had a union. Free agency wasn't introduced until the 1970's... but here we are.
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Post by The People's Champion on Mar 6, 2009 23:12:14 GMT -5
Just to be clear I used Pop Lloyd as an example of the type of players available during the deadball age. Black players have been around as long as white players. The National Association of Baseball Players(NABBP), the first organized league formed they denied membership of the Pythian Club, an all-black team from Philadelphia. * The NABBP barred" the admission of any club which may be composed of one or more colored persons," explaining with full sincerity, that "if colored clubs were admitted there would be in all probability be some division of feeling, whereas by excluding them them no injury could result to anyone" *taken from Shades of Glory
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Post by jeremy7227 on Mar 7, 2009 0:01:36 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting you were trying to fix things in your favor.. it was just a joke but...
I also have to point out.. Pop Lloyd didn't start playing in the Black Baseball world until 1906 so he's a year away. I have a list of what are generally agreed to be ML talents from Black Baseball from 1858-1946. 24 of those would be contemporaries in 1904. Including Pete Hill and Sol White (who literally wrote THE book on Black Baseball - first and still the best reference)).
Finally - that's only sort of correct about the Pythians... I mean no disrespect to you but Shades of Glory - if that is a correct citing - is wrong.
The Pythian Club did not apply for membership in the NABBP but rather the Pennsylvania Base-ball Association. It's representative at the winter meeting in 1868 was an R.S. Bun who was in close correspondence with the Pythian's captain and noted civil rights activist Octavius Catto during the three days of negotiating with the other Philadelphia clubs' representatives it was decided simply to withdraw their application to the association rather than suffer what looked like a defeat - or worse- a stalemate in the vote by the other clubs. However, throughout 1868 and 1869 those clubs in the PBBA that had supported the Pythians did in fact play non-league matches versus the club.
It isn't my day job but researching the game is something I do for the SABR 19th Century project and occasionally contribute to their Protoball project as well. What we know now about this period is coming together and has and should fill a few books... what we don't know and haven't uncovered yet - unfortunately - could fill volumes. But i digress.
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Post by senatorshq on Mar 7, 2009 11:14:23 GMT -5
Just my 1.5 cents: Sometimes I feel like there's not enough to do in the minors. I like watching development. No need for lots of levels, but I'd be for the introduction of AA ball sooner vs later, fictional guys or not. How many of these 1904 players are you guys really familiar with anyway? It's like they're fictional anyhow. I mean, I knew some of these guys personally... but you 20-30 year olds can't possibly be forming strong personality associations with Ginger Beaumont, Chick Robitielle, etc. If the commish snuck a guy in named Boober Gravitz, do you think you'd catch it, lol?
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Post by rosoxgm on Jun 8, 2009 14:57:00 GMT -5
The front page!
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Post by philsgm on Jun 10, 2009 12:19:09 GMT -5
Definitely compensation for free agent signings. I can understand to a point having this in a modern online league(2009, etc), where the small market teams like Pittsburgh, Florida, etc. could be at a distinct disadvantage. But not in this league. I for one will be much more careful in free agency moving forward and more than likely won't participate at all until I can get a few 1st rounders on the team. I've given them up over the last two seasons for guys who only stuck around for one season and gave me no chance to resign them. This is the only historical legue that I've even been in that does this. Doesn't make sense in my opinion.
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Post by newyorkgiants on Jun 10, 2009 17:28:06 GMT -5
What I do like about it is the fact it "should" make it easier for players to stay with their team (since someone won't give up a first rounder for them).
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Post by snake on Jun 11, 2009 12:46:00 GMT -5
yeah i'd like to see us get rid of free agent compensation too. I'm with you, I wont be nearly as active in free agency now
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Post by Commissioner/Reds on Jun 11, 2009 15:51:27 GMT -5
You guys know you can't lose a top half of the draft pick, right?
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Post by philsgm on Jun 11, 2009 16:27:44 GMT -5
Well I've been in the league for three seasons and I've had one first round pick. This year I lost my first round pick because I signed a 2B that's hitting .250 and won't even resign with me. That was the only F/A that I could sign due to finances and because of that I lost a first round pick and potential five tool player. Like I said before, it doesn't make sense.
I have a co-worker who would be an excellent GM to take over the A's but he too hates this rule. I gave him the website address and am hoping he will still apply but I doubt it.
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Post by djoz/Brooklyn on Jun 11, 2009 18:33:50 GMT -5
I too would like to see the compensation rule changed. This has happened to me as well and I really don't like how there is nothing that identifies the FAs that require compensation when bidding in the game. I say if there is to be any compensation at all it should be like in real MLB where teams just get extra draft picks. Not taking picks away from the signing team.
DJ Superbas
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